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Skrevet af Michael Flarup   
Torsdag, 9. juni 2011 08:30

Jakob Andkjær har i et interview med ESE kritiseret svømmetrænerne i DK, men giver samtidig mange andre gode bud på hvad der er centralt for udviklingen til en topsvømmer.

 

Det store spørgsmål er - har han ret?

Læs artiklen hos ESE

 

 

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+1 #12 Kåre Sørensen 2011-06-16 14:43 Vågn nu op og stop klykkeriet.
Det er jer elv som trænere der bestemmer de forhold som I arbejder under.

Derfor sæt jeres egne krav og tag ikke hensyn til klubben.

Tænk på jer selv hvis I vil svømmetræner i mange år
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+1 #11 Michele Greb 2011-06-14 18:21 Citerer Morten Willer:
Det er DENNE kultur der er problemet!


It is not just Danish culture. Most swimmers aged 13 and younger in many of the "major powers" in world swimming are the same. Even though we, as a profession, know what is best, we as professionals are still under pressure to produce results. There are still qualifying times for 11 and younger at VAM etc. Why? Why are they there? There is no need for that sort of experience at that age.

How many clubs still offer bonuses for producing results?

It is much worse in North America for that specific issue. It is not "just" Denmark. Denmark has great deal of positive points to what happens in swimming, not the least of which is the extremely low financial cost and minimal volunteer committment, and swimming lessons through most grades in most schools.
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+1 #10 Morten Willer 2011-06-14 12:34 Lidt interessant at de fleste diskussioner mere eller mindre tager en drejning i retning af at vi som svømmmetrænere har offer-rollen; dårligt arbejdsmiljø, dårlige ledere og en kollektiv opfattelse af at "vi jo gør alt for meget" af eget initiativ…
Om det er rigtigt eller forkert er ligegyldigt, for det har intet med din faglige relation til børnene at gøre!

Uanset hvor mange timer du giver til svømingen (200 eller 10.000) så handler det om hvad du laver med dem… Er det de metre og øvelser, som ligger "first in mind", fordi det er noget du selv kunne lide da du var 15 år, og var på det højeste inden du stoppede, eller er det noget der nøje er udvalgt og tilpasset til de 8-10-årige svømmere som du har?

Det er DENNE kultur der er problemet!
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+5 #9 Flarup 2011-06-12 10:08 Jeg er sådan set enig med det Michele skriver: trænerne er forbilleder og må opføre sig som sådan. Med hensyn til de dygtige (og her er det egentlig uanset alder jeg tænker) - ja dem er der brug for og det har der altid været - men spørgsmålet er jo om de bliver eller om de fravælger jobbet. Citater
 
 
+4 #8 Michele Greb 2011-06-11 07:09 Citerer Christian Andersen:
Til Michele:
Jeg fanger din pointe, men er det ikke at sætte det en lille smule på spidsen når du siger at det "will consume the coach until the person is defined by being a coach".

Ligesom ved ALLE andre erhverv, så bliver man ikke god, hvis man ikke yder en indsats, men derfra og så til at sige at man ikke engang skal overveje at starte, hvis man ikke udelukkende vil defineres som at være en træner, der er et stykke vej.

I min optik kan man sagtens være en dygtig træner (og have fokus på de ting Andkjær nævner), uden at hele ens liv er trænergerningen .


Christian: I agree that you can be, as well, despite what I wrote.

However, taken in context of why coaches leave the profession, how often do we hear " But I just want to coach!" ? There is so much more to it than "just" coaching. That was the point (Poorly worded, I grant you!)

But I give you two names: Talbot, Quick.

Who are there? They are The Coach. They are defined by what they do.

When you coach, you cannot go out drinking with your buddies Friday night and walk into Saturday morning practice hung over and stinking of beer. You cannot show up to practices looking like a slob with your pants hanging off your butt, your shirt having food stains etc etc. You show up looking and acting like a coach. You are not taken seriously otherwise and in a profession where a great deal of one's reputation is based on perceptions, these things are important.

You plan your life around training schedules, competitions, travel, camps, and you fit the rest of your life around that.

Many young coaches are not prepared for that, because we don't teach these things in coaching courses. I don't know a country that does teach it. So when the realities of the profession, the lifestyle, the politics, etc start getting a bit heavier, then young coaches start saying "But I just want to coach!"

Those of us who are not prepared to have our lives revolve around our work schedules and to become defined by our work (Sunday afternoon at the harbour, oh look mom, there's the coach!) generally end up leaving. Some people are just too stubborn to leave

It's too bad, in some instances, because some of those young coaches are pretty damn good and we need them. Swimming is lucky, however. It is one of the few sports in the world that has to employ full-time coaches at amateur level at so young an age for the athlete. Imagine being a biathlon coach, for example.

But ask any coach what they do, and they never start off saying: Oh, I create replicas of Ming vases in the evenings and I also coach.

We say: I coach swimming.

Probably pretty proudly too

Maybe I was a bit harsh stating not to even start if you are not willing for this to happen. Am I permitted to clarify and restate as follows:

When you start coaching, be ready for the time when you have to make that sort of committment.
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+5 #7 Christian Andersen 2011-06-11 00:09 Til Michele:
Jeg fanger din pointe, men er det ikke at sætte det en lille smule på spidsen når du siger at det "will consume the coach until the person is defined by being a coach".

Ligesom ved ALLE andre erhverv, så bliver man ikke god, hvis man ikke yder en indsats, men derfra og så til at sige at man ikke engang skal overveje at starte, hvis man ikke udelukkende vil defineres som at være en træner, der er et stykke vej.

I min optik kan man sagtens være en dygtig træner (og have fokus på de ting Andkjær nævner), uden at hele ens liv er trænergerningen .
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+2 #6 Michele Greb 2011-06-10 15:57 Citerer Henrik!:
Til Kristian: Klubberne er For dårlige arbejdsgivere!


Swim clubs are not bad employers. They are, however, dominated by volunteer parents who might not have any business skills other than being able to do their own taxes and that is a swimming CULTURE thing the world over. Very few countries have coach-owned clubs, the US and AUS being notable exceptions (and take a look at their results over the decades, figure there is a correlation?)

Sport loses coaches young for a combination of reasons, primary is the coach's own reasons for being a coach.

Anyone who gets into coaching swimming and makes the assumption that all they have to do is walk onto a pool deck, slap down a program and go to a few competitions a year is naive, at best. Clubs that hire people like that are equally at fault.

You don't go coach because you want the big bucks. You don't go coach because you want fame and fortune. You don't go coach because it is an easier job than saying "Would you like fries with that?" during high school and university. Many coaches fit the above criteria.

Expectations of the profession must rise to meet the challenge of producing viable competitors. If you slack off on those expectations, it has a much greater impact on swimmer development than is immediately noticable.

Coaching swimming is not a McJob.

Coaching swimming is a lifestyle. It fills almost every corner of your life and at its peak, will consume the coach until the person is defined by being a coach and if you are not prepared to make it so, you shouldn't start in the first place.

You expect that sort of committment from swimmers. Why should a coach be prepared to give anything less?

Start coaching for the right reasons or stop ruining swimmers. Simple.
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+5 #5 Henrik! 2011-06-10 14:32 Til Kristian: Klubberne er For dårlige arbejdsgivere! Citater
 
 
+4 #4 Michele Greb 2011-06-10 06:01 Maybe focussing on the process of achievement is what is needed? Anyone can say "I want a purple medal at the International Superduperfest Championships".

Maybe focussing on the process of being that good is what is needed, not on the standard "must swim X metres per week by week Y".

What good does it do a swimmer to train 12k per day if their technique is at a 4k per day level?
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+4 #3 Morten Willer 2011-06-09 18:22 Jeg kan også kun tilslutte mig her…

Hvad er målet? Medaljer…
Hvordan får man dem? Ved at være hurtigst… typisk har de hurtigste også de længste arme og ben…

Hvorfor kan vi ikke lære at synkro og udspring, som så grimt bliver set skævt til, som en del af "de fire andre"… Hvorfor får man ikke point efter hvad man hvor flot man udfører det, og hvilken sværhedsgrad man har valgt?
Eller en kombination som i DM i freeride (ski - off piste) hvor det både skal være blæret at se på, være svært at udføre, og gå til dels gå hurtigt??
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